Jo Nova och Mohib Ebrahim om Climategate

På Jo Novs hemsida finns en utomordentligt bra redovisning av Climategate. Mohib Ebrahim gjorde den för snart tio år sedan. Den kan vara bra att känna till, för det är många man talar med som inte vet eller tror att det inte var så allvarligt. Den stora planschen är gjord för att skrivas ut på två A0 sidor.
Men det finns olika alternativ att ladda ner från hennes hemsida.
Denna plansch är lågupplöst

Här är noterna till planschen. Länkarna, i den mån de fortfarande är aktiva

CLIMATEGATE: 30 YEARS IN THE MAKING NOTES AND REFERENCES

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[114]  Willis Eschenbach, ”Darwin Zero Before and After,” Watts Up With That, Chico, December 20, 2009 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/20/darwin-zero-before-and-after/

[115] Tim Mitchell (bio-sketch), Tyndall Centre for Climate Change, East Anglia, nd http://web.archive.org/web/20040217140147/http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timm/personal/index.html

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[118] Christopher Booker, ”Stubborn glaciers fail to retreat, awkward polar bears continue to multiply,” Telegraph, London, November 23, 2008 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3563714/Stubborn-glaciers-fail-to-retreat-awkward-polar-bears-continue-to-multiply.html

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2. ”Wide Spread and Complex Climatic Changes Outlined…,”” United Nations Environment Programme, Nairobi, November 13, 2008 http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=550&ArticleID=5978&l=en

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[123] Roger Highfield, ”World’s oldest tree discovered in Sweden,” Telegraph, London, April 17, 2008 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3339982/Worlds-oldest-tree-discovered-in-Sweden.html

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[137] Ibid, time index: 8:52 (1:01 in UR-linked segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKWA9V5UQMk&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=1

[138] Ibid, time index: 9:16 (1:25 in UR-linked segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeY8oqAGhyA&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=0&playnext=1

[139] Ibid, time index: 35:31 (7:45 in UR-linked segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=latZM6zi5IU&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=3

[140] Ibid, time index: 35:45 (8:00 in UR-linked segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=latZM6zi5IU&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=3

[141] Ibid, time index: 40:47 (3:00 in UR-linked segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBIGTlSqhIU&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=4

[142] Ibid, time index: 43:00 (5:15 in UR-linked segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBIGTlSqhIU&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=4

[143] Ibid, time index: 1:05:55(8:15 in UR-linked segment and continued in second UR-linked segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4lJk0qv9Ew&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehOlYKXWOhU&feature=PlayList&p=EA20B42EAE54782A&index=7

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[145] Michael Crichton, ”Aliens cause global warming” (speech), California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, January 17, 2003 http://www.michaelcrichton.net/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html

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2. ”Chapter 2: Dynamics Of Climatic And Geophysical Indices” http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/Y2787E/y2787e03.htm#bm03

[147] David Douglas and John Christy, ”A Climatology Conspiracy?” American Thinker, El Cerrito, December 27, 2009 http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/a_climatology_conspiracy.html

[148] Joanne Nova, ”The 800 year lag ñ graphed,” Jo Nova, Perth, August 30, 2008 http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/ice-core-graph/

[149] Climategate Documentary, Yleisradio TV1, Helsinki,December 7, 2009, time index 1:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDHbOu7Sq8&NR=1

[150] P.J. O’Rourke, All the Trouble in the World, Boston, 1994, pg. 167 http://books.google.com/books?id=Ouyr7shT8tsC&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167&dq=%22he+threat+of+a+new+ice+age+must+now+stand+alongside+nuclear+war%22+ Nigel+calder&source=bl&ots=JEXyyYE5vs&sig=beQ07IpLnzXOqDg2E_vW62gGTXk&hl=en&ei=YH8-S6bhKY6mswPXl9HJBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&res num=1&ved=0CAcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22he%20threat%20of%20a%20new%20ice%20age%20must%20now%20stand%20alongside%20nuclear%20war%22%2 0Nigel%20calder&f=false

[151] Richard Lindzen, ”Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus,” Cato Institute, Washington D.C., Spring 1992 http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html

[152] ”Right for 27 years: 1981 Hansen study finds warming trend that could raise sea levels,” Climate Progress, Washington DC., August 27, 2008 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/27/right-for-27-years-1981-hansen-study-finds-warming-trend-that-could-raise-sea-levels/

[153] Joanne Nova, ”CRU Data-Cooking: Recipe Exposed!” Jo Nova, November 30, 2009 http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/cru-data-cooking-recipe-exposed/

[154] 1. ”Global Warming Petition Project FAQ,” Petitionproject.org, Cave Junction, nd http://www.petitionproject.org/frequently_asked_questions.php

2. ”Qualifications of Signers,” Petitionproject.org, Cave Junction, nd http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php

[155] Steve McIntyre, ”Difference in Yamal Versions ’Not Insignificant,í” Climate Audit, Toronto, January 4, 2010 http://climateaudit.org/2010/01/04/difference-in-yamal-versions-not-insignificant/

[156] Keith Briffa, ”Annual climate variability in the Holocene: interpreting the message of ancient trees,” Quaternary Science Reviews, Oxford, January 1, 2000 http://post.queensu.ca/~biol527/Briffa%20and%20Keith%202000.pdf

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VBC-40378TB-8&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acc t=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1c920ab5c89ecd8ebf8f4bd564eddcde

[157] Steve McIntyre, ”The Euro Hockey Team and Yamal,” Climate Audit, Toronto, October 27, 2006 http://climateaudit.org/2006/10/27/the-euro-hockey-team-and-yamal/

[158] Steve McIntyre, ”Fresh Data on Briffa’s Yamal #1,” Climate Audit, September 26, 2009 http://climateaudit.org/2009/09/26/briffas-yamal-crack-cocaine-for-paleoclimatologists/

[159] Olive Crook, ”More on Climategate,” Clive Crook, The Atlantic, Washington D.C., November 30, 2009 http://clivecrook.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/11/more_on_climategate.php

[160] Kenneth Green, ”A Death Spiral for Climate Alarmism, Redux?” Master Resource, Houston, September 30, 2009 http://masterresource.org/?p=5036

[161]  ”More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent…” U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works, Washington D.C., December 11, 2008 http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2674E64F-802A-23AD-490B-BD9FAF4DCDB7

[162] Patrick Michaels, ”Sound and Fury: The Science and Politics of Global Warming,” Cato Institute, Washington D.C., 1992, pg. 81-83 http://books.google.com/books?id=of7lmKM9XxwC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=%22Sound+and+Fury%22+folland&source=bl&ots=jwrKektd4e&sig=C2iGmyspzxf2O Zl0Bjfqm3BkvxE&hl=en&ei=wLFHS4Nag56yA9qfifYP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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10 svar på Jo Nova och Mohib Ebrahim om Climategate

  1. Dandersan skriver:

    Äh vi strejkar i stället och låter forskarna manipulera oss vart de vill.
    Ibland får jag ryck och mailar in om tokerier som sprids i SR/SVT.
    Främst är det påståenden om havsvattenståndet som är lätt att se på och där ingen förändring är ny. Takten går både upp och ner i perioder.
    På senare tid har jag molnen som fokusområde. Moln och aerosoler.
    Det är alltid intressant eftersom man får olika svar ju mer man visar korten för experterna.
    Jaså du menar så ..
    Erik Kjellström skall titta på om 10% mer solinstrålning kan påverka våra temperaturer-det har vi inte gjort erkänner han. På detta bygger vi ett nytt samhälle. En risig grund tycker jag!

  2. Samuel af Ugglas skriver:

    Den enda kända nivåhöjning av stor dignitet i nutid måste väl ändå vara socialisternas uppdämning av Mälarens vatten som drabbar tusentals markägare. Socialisterna har tvingat fram detta beslut för att ”dom” tycker det känns rätt!

  3. Åke Sundström skriver:

    Mycket värdefullt källmaterial. Överväldigande! Men samtidigt deprimerande: Hur är det möjligt att klimatlögnerna, trots all denna motbevisning, fortfarande regerar? T ex i ljuset av Richard Lindzens tillintetgörande kritik i en CATO-artikel redan 1992 (källa 151), d v s för ett kvarts sekel sedan!

    Den gåtan är nog viktigare att försöka besvara än att dryfta nya naturvetenskapliga motbevis. Jag menar, som att skeptikerna i realiteten redan vunnit sakdebatten – de gamla skurkarna i forskarvärlden har ju varit ganska tysta på senare tid.

    Frågan har i stället alltmer övertagits av politiker och särintressen som har egna starka motiv för att hålla klimatspöket vid liv. Dessa ha förvisso funnits med i bilden hela tiden men är nu ganska så ensamma i skurkkollektivet och har ”fördelen” att nämnvärt behöva störas av sakdebatten. Det räcker för dem att stödjas av alltmer korrupta medier och av donatorer som Bill Gates, medan de vanligen anklagade, Bilderberggruppen och oligarker som Soros, inte verkar alltför insyltade i detta sammanhang.

    • Mats Jangdal skriver:

      Jag håller på och går igenom länkarna för att se vilka som fortfarande funkar. Det kanske är 2/3 som gör det. I en del fall hittar jag andra vägar att finna samma text.
      Men det finns så kallat seriösa tidskrifter som raderat varje spår av det som en gång var där. Mycket av det Christopher Monckton skrivit är borta och inte ens hans namn ger en träff på dessa sidor.

      Soros och gänget utnyttjar säkert klimatfrågan när de kan, ibland för smyga i dess skugga. Men de behöver nog inte driva på särskilt mycket där, eftersom tonen redan är så hysterisk på många håll.

      • Åke Sundström skriver:

        Hur aktiv Soros varit på senare tid kan vi lämna därhän. Men vad tror du om den mer allmängiltiga grundfrågan om orsaken till att klimatnojan fortfarande lever och frodas?

        Min tes var att det i hög grad handlar om bytet av ”huvudmän” (från forskare till politiker och särintressen, låt vara att många i den senare kategorin mer eller mindre hemligt var insyltade redan från början) och om att dessa inte på samma sätt som forskarna behöver känna sig berörda av sakkritiken. Man kan med rätta hävda att det är de IPCC-lojala experternas uppgift att bemöta skeptiska invändningar, vilket nu sker allt mer sällan. I stället väljer professorerna tystnadens hariga men bekväma utväg.

        Numera är det således amatörer (icke-experter) som producerar merparten av fabulerandet. T ex okunniga 15-åringar som snabbt omsvärmas av hysteriska journalister och upphöjs till sanningsvittnen. Och vad betyder för övrigt osanningar eller glidningar när de politiska vinsterna fortfarande är så stora och ljugandet än så länge är till så stor hjälp i maktutövandet?

        • Mats Jangdal skriver:

          Alltså, begreppet växthuseffekt är inget vetenskapligt begrepp. Det verkar vara en olycklig liknelse för att förklara varför en planet med atmosfär är varmare än en utan.
          Därpå kidnappades begreppet växthuseffekt för politiska ändamål, samt berikades med ”växthusgaser”.

          Sådan är min bild av det hela.

          • Åke Sundström skriver:

            Begreppet må vara ovetenskapligt men är ju väldigt ofta använt, även av professorer. Men hur kom den aspekten in i bilden? Den fråga jag ställde, men som du inte kommenterade, handlade ju om hur det är möjligt att klimatnojan fortfarande lever och frodas. Inte helt ointressant, väl?

            • Mats Jangdal skriver:

              Det enkla svaret på den frågan kan väl ges i två delar.

              Den ena är att allmänheten är för okunnig för att på egen hand genomskåda bluffen och inte heller tillräckligt engagerade för att läsa på.

              Den andra, att det finns nu så många (en majoritet) även utanför vetenskap och akademia som lagat så att de kan förvärva pengar, makt och status genom fortsatt positivhalande.

              • Åke Sundström skriver:

                Du missar bytet av huvudmän och de politiska propagandavinsterna, att kunna ge sken av att vara mänsklighetens räddare.

                Finns det månne även fler tänkbara orsaker, som att skeptikerna har fokuserat på invecklade teknikaliteter i stället för på de allra bästa och enklaste argumenten? Samt ibland, som Stockholmsinitiativet, SI, haft ett helt annat fokus: att kritisera satsningen på vindkraft därför att den har hotat deras egen favorit, kärnkraften.

                Då avsäger man sig många slagkraftiga fakta. Det är väl först om man känner till de bevekelsegrunden som det går att begripa att SI, i motsats till bl a Mats, ta avstånd från straffskatten på koldioxid. På tvärs mot ytterst elementär logik.

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